>Let’s see what kind of spin the board members put on this so that they can SAVE THEIR ASSES!!

>Hey PJ, the new schools POI can’t spell. She spelled laboratory as laborotory.

Can she use spell check or would that cost us extra?

>Bombace knew of this before the new addition at Orchard was ever built. So did Porter, Hutton, Brogan and the chief bloviator, Charlie Reilly.

The members of the BOE who knew should resign for lying to parents.

So much for the “lunatic fringe” being wrong.

Who are the lunatics now?

>I remember that the parents who brought the soil issue to the forefront two years ago did their homework and informed the community that there were unanswered questions regarding the soil. The boe and the hsa made light of the whole thing and went ahead and did what they wanted anyway. That parent, frances edwards, is no stranger to controversy, having unearthed a lot of underhandedness in the district. She was dismissed by the establishment and attacked in the ridgewood news by susan sherrill for trying to get the problem attended to. So they spent all that money on orchard field and today, it’s closed down. Whose money are they going to spend next to make it usable again? Now they will have to remove the bad soil…all of it. that’s very expensive.

How wasteful and stupid of our BOE. They should all go.

>3:16 PM

This upsets me because my child does not eat dirt but they might have been in school while construction was moving the toxic dirt into the air. Therefore they were exposed to toxins in their lungs.

We live in a toxic world but the construction on an addition on an elementary school or its fields should go through a due diligence process that will guarantee that children are not exposed to toxins.

I don’t think that’s too much to ask of a public school system in a wealthy town, do you?

>Oh, God forbid the kids have no place to play on the first day of school!!!! Snobs!!!!

>5:35 – Think again if you believe this will be limited to the first day of school. Where did you grow up that only the privileged class had a place to play?

>Does anyone have any actual concentrations for contaminants tested?

Lead is usually associated with PAHs. Ever hear of leaded petroleum??? Tar?? Old blacktop perhaps? etc. Organics particulates left by incomplete combustion.

Does anyone know if these are based upon residential or non-residential criteria? In any case, all NJDEP criteria or conservative by orders of magnitude. They criteria are extremely, and I mean extremely, conservative with respect to humal health risk. They take into account unrealistic scenerios such as you camp out on a pile of PAHs for 365 days a year, never leave the site, live there for 25 years and add several teaspoons of the soil to your coffee each morning.

Let me put it to you this way. Just because something contains a contaminant of concern does not mean it it “contaminated”. That is usually a matter of dose/response/time or acute/chronic toxicity. As an analogy, just because our bodies contain fat does not mean we are “fat”. If we eat to many donuts over time, we become obese — an adverse chronic condition. If we eat a donut occasionally, then it’s no big deal.

Personally, I’m heading over to BFMS tomorrow to hear what they have to say. Anyone attending should ask what standard the tests are being compared to and what were the backround levels for nearby areas. What were test, reference and control concentration for all contaminants of concern? What exposure routes were the students subjected to and for how long? Why wasn’t a communications strategy put into place and why were earlier complaints of parents ignored?

If the BOE scr@wed up on this one, I’d love to put the nail in their coffin!

>6:20 – If the BOE members knew about this then it is their fault for not communicating with the public. Someone obviously had a concern or else the tests would not have been performed. Any concern whatsoever should have been communicated to the public. If I had known there was a concern at Orchard, I would have taken my kids to play at another field during the summer. We elect BOE members to protect the interests of our children and it is a disgrace if they do not fulfill this basic obligation.

>We should hand each of the board members a shovel and let them clean up the contaminated soil. Former board member Charles Reilly should be given a shovel, too. They’re all contaminated anyway.

>Can you say CLASS ACTION SUIT?

How likely are polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) to cause cancer?
The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has determined that some PAHs may reasonably be expected to be carcinogens.

Some people who have breathed or touched mixtures of PAHs and other chemicals for long periods of time have developed cancer. Some PAHs have caused cancer in laboratory animals when they breathed air containing them (lung cancer), ingested them in food (stomach cancer), or had them applied to their skin (skin cancer).

>VILLAGE OF RIDGEWOOD
VILLAGE COUNCIL
REGULAR PUBLIC MEETING
SEPTEMBER 8, 2004
8:00 P.M.

04-232 Amend Professional Services Contract – Bellair Road Ash Landfill Remediation Project (Not to Exceed $11,000) – Amends the Professional Services Agreement with Leggette, Brashears, and Graham, Inc., 126 Monroe Turnpike, Trumbull, CT for site investigation and environmental permitting services for the Village Tennis Court (former PSE&G Gas Works/Bellair Ash Landfill site)

>Why is everyone freaking out? Did you read the letter? These are NOT pesticides like those at Westbrook. these are not an acute hazard like at Westbrook. You would have to EAT the soil over an extended period to experience the potential risk…why is everyone screaming about BREATHING the air, etc? Are you all scientists suddenly? I am concerned but I am also mature enough to get the facts, attend the meeting and THEN make judgments. The SKY is not FALLING people! Act like adults, why don’t you?

>She should only take up issues on behalf of HER children and if it BENEFITS yours show some gratitude

>Frances Edwards and Joseph Alvaro are to be commended for truly caring about ALL the children’s safety and well-being. They worked tirelessly to educate the Orchard community and the board of education about the contaminated soil. What did they get in return? Grief.

For all those sycophants out there who have their lips hermetically sealed to the BOE members’ asses, you have failed your children miserably. You’re so worried about what others will think of you if you speak out … there is a name for people like you … SOCIAL SLUTS!

>Board members have known about Orchard field contamination for at least a decade. They simply did not do what was necessary to make this field usable and safe. That’s just a fact, otherwise it would not be closed off to further use in its present condition.

Someone dropped the ball and worked hard to fool the public while they were at it. See, they do need a POI to craft sneaky letters and such.

>It is imperative that parents not only listen to what the board members say tonite, but also listen to what they do NOT say as well. Ask the tough questions.

>Here is a chance for Brogan, Bombace, Hutton and Vallerini to show some class. Step down from the Board. Same goes for the new gal if she goes along with them. We are better off without this group of !@#%&*?!!

>mebee fire chief bombace and little bro will have their firefighters suit up in hazmat gear and go clean up that frickin soil while they supervise.

>If all parents were as vigilant as Edwards and Alvaro, we would have a kick-ass school district. I admire their perseverance.

>Does our school board even know the meaning of:

“Too little, too late?”
“Children come first.”

?????

>You admit that you are new to Ridgewood 8:11 so you really don’t know our board of education. Many of these posters have grown up in Ridgewood or have lived here for decades and know the sordid history of our boe. I suggest you listen and learn.

>Dear 8:11
This is not a GE problem nor is it a problem of PSEG. In fact, PSEG had a plant near Orchard (now it is condos) and they undertook an amazing clean up of the site once it was converted to non-commercial use. A clean up example that continues to ELUDE our elected leaders.

The Orchard problem is that Orchard was a dump (was a farm way back when, so there are pesticides there as well). Primarily coal ash (used for heating homes) was dumped there for decades. This ash is super toxic, which is why it was declared a superfund site in the 70s/80s. The town and the boe knew all about this, but claimed they didn’t have the money to clean it up.

As for schools being built there…way back when, there were no rules prohibiting a school from being built on a toxic site. Now, of course, there are stringent rules and Orchard would NEVER have been permitted to be built there.

The reason why there is no “wait and see” attitude from many bloggers is because we know too well the history of this board’s behavior. After ignoring the problem for years, they then declared that it’s not really a problem and we shouldn’t be worried at all. Then they said, they cleaned it up, but did they do a thorough job? NO. They brought in some dirt and covered over some of the hot spots and called it a remediation. Why, because they declared, if it’s buried by enough dirt, it can’t hurt the kids. WRONG. Dirt naturally allows for seepage of toxins; it’s not concrete after all, and over time some of it can rise up towards the surface. WE know this and THEY knew this.

Now we are here. Go ahead, believe what they “say.” I am going to be listening to what they DON’T say. That will be the most telling.

As for eating truckloads of the stuff. For some people, just coming into contact with such toxins can lay the groundwork for later tumors in life. I guess you have to hope you are not unlucky. Same comfort as playing Russian Roulette. It’s only 1 bullet out of a possible 6 chances.

>Since they sifted the dirt on site when they re-did Orchard field for drainage, I wanted to know why that was ok to do given that the ash was identified as between 1 to 3 feet below ground. They had dug down deeper than that to put in a new drainage system. They then piled all the dirt in numerous uncovered mounds and brought in a giant sifter to separate the dirt from boulders and tree trunks.

I began to ask questions of the BOE in late June of this year and got a letter from Angelo deSimone, bus. mgr. (dated July 2, 2007 basically ignoring my question and repeating what the “report” said about what was done to the site.

I still don’t have an answer as to why they allowed the toxic ash dirt to be sifted on site over the course of that year. If anyone knows, please post it here.

Why won’t they answer that question????????

>Why didn’t our school board notify parents immediately upon ordering soil samples? They must have thought something wasn’t right. I would have kept my kids off the field this summer.

>There was never a “complete” ground cover. A few hot spots were identified. They dug holes and filled in with new dirt. It would be a good question to ask how many square feet were covered with new soil. So the ash is everywhere in the ashfill and they dig a few holes where it shows up as seeping to within inches of the surface.

The reason you thought it was complete was because they told you it was complete, when in fact they only completed the minimum they set out to do. By now, I’m sure it’s seeped up in other places and it will continue to do so over time. That’s a ton of digging up and patching holes.

Maybe they can make a movie and call it “Holes;” Get some prisoners to come in and dig holes all day and call it a camp.

>Why wasn’t the general public notified? My children do not attend Orchard yet but they have been playing on the field for some time now. I should have been told of the concerns when the testing was being done. I drove over to the field and asked a woman who lives right across from the field. She had no idea that there was a problem – only that the field had been fenced off. The lack of communication by the BOE is inexcusable.

>Hey, at least Orchard looks real pretty with that amphitheater and Looks are everything in this town.

Maybe Principal Muller should have been worrying more about the toxic dirt than building his amphitheater. You do know Principal Muller that you are in charge of the safety and well-being of the Orchard students and staff, right?

>Why wasn’t Dr. Muller’s signature on the letter that went home to the parents and guardians of Orchard School children? First and foremost, Dr. Muller is responsible for Orchard School. He needs to step up to the plate instead of hiding behind Dr. Brennan and the school board. Be a man, Dr. Muller.

>Dr. Muller isn’t a parent, therefore, he can’t relate as a parent.

>To 1:55 PM — Your guess is that the field lying dormant was not a problem. Are you an expert in toxic soil? What makes you think the field lay dormant all those years? Was the field tested every year for the past 40+ years? You don’t think that the dirt was moved around until just recently?

>1:55 – establishing cause and effect from low level contaminants and minimal exposure is virtually impossible except in extreme cases (you’ve seen Erin Brokovich?? What would you have Valley do a simple survey of? Could folks accurately report exposures? Et.?? There’s far to many variables to relate low level contaminants at Orchard to chronic conditions or cancenrs. PAHs and lead are everywhere — in our air, water, soils. Ever notice the stacks on the gas stations at Franklin Tpke and Route 17. I believe that they are part of a vapor extraction and ground water remediation system for PAHs.

Still, better precautions to minimze exposure routes should have been implemented. Common sense should have prevailed somewhere along the line. Does the Ridgewood School Distict employ a Health and Safety Officer?

>It’s pretty bad when you have to question the truthfulness of everything that comes out of the mouths of the school board members and the school administrators. What ever happened to honesty and integrity?

>Wait a Second!
Doesn’t the Orchard School song we all sing say, “once a field of apples”???
What kind of apples? If they were pumpkin sized, (tee hee) it probably forewarned us before building the school on the field!
CAN SOMEONE WRITE A NEW ORCHARD JINGLE PLEASE?
..and leave Dr. Muller out of this. He’s a good man doing a good job and creating a great environment for the school body. We need to stick up for him. He had nothing to do with this.

>Can’t leave Muller out of this. It was his obstinance that gave us a construction site near and on a hazardous pit.

>NEWS FLASH – Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons = Asphalt.

DO NOT, I WARN YOU, DO NOT WALK IN THE STREET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The town council is planning on removing all streets in Ridgewood. The soil under the street has to go too. First, you’ll have to remove your driveways and the soil underneath (at your expense, of course). The the Village will remove all of the streets and soil. It hasn’t been figured out just yet how we’re going to be able to get around yet, but, hold tight, we’re from the government and we’re here to help you.

>Time to install artificial turf all over town.

>OMG 5:03 — Did Dr. Muller pay you to kiss his ass on this blog?

>If they had just left the ash where it was (and as parents begged) we wouldn’t be in this position with toxins near the surface. But no. They had to play God. They had to dig it up.

Notice that wherever they dug within the last 7 years, we are now facing contaminated areas close to the surface. The field (dug up in 2000); around the new addition (dug up in 2003/4); the new art room (dug up in 2003/4)the amphitheatre (dug up in 2007).

This is a man-made (read: BOE made) problem. Our kids are paying the price for their hubris with the loss of field, playground, etc. Of course, companies and contractors will tell you they can do anything safely. Why? They want the money!

>Not only is the entire Orchard School field fenced off, but now the amphitheater and the playground, too?

Seems like the children are going to go stir-crazy having to stay in the building all day.

We will have to put up with this tainted situation for how long?

>9:42 pm- did you go to the meeting?

>What are the realtors going to tell prospective home buyers with children in the Orchard area?

Are they going to be truthful and say … “Your children will be attending Orchard School … they will not be able to play outside the school for God knows how long because of toxic dirt. But that’s okay because they can stay inside school with toxic terc.”

>Just what is Dr. Muller’s action plan for entertaining over 300 students inside the school all day every day?

He just had to have his amphitheater and the addition built on top of the contaminated soil. He sure didn’t want to listen to the knowledgeable Orchard parents who wanted the addition built where there was no contaminated soil.

Anyone who says Dr. Muller doesn’t have anything to do with this has their head buried in the toxic dirt.

>7:42 AM … Looks like the BOE and Muller dug themselves into a toxic hole! They need to take ownership of their actions.

>The school board and Muller need to do more than take ownership of their actions. They must resign! They put our children’s health at risk. That alone should constitute immediate dismissal!

>I couldn’t go last night and looked for it on 77, but it wasn’t there.

Can someone please transcript and provide minutes for more information on what the BOE said?

Specifically about how the construction projects in the last 10 years where handled?

>Principal Muller insisted that there would be NO problem when the addition was built over the ashfill. Well, Dr. “NO” was wrong and now we must insist that he resign!

LAN Associates wanted the business at the expense of our children’s health and well-being. Now they’re stuck in the building on a beautiful day.

When are our board members and Dr. NO going to listen to the parents? The parents were right.

>At the beginning of the postings 5:35 PM stated, ” Oh, God forbid the kids have no place to play on the first day of school!!!! Snobs!!!!”

What do you have to say now 5:35 PM? According to Dr. Brennan there is no short term solution. Sooo, can the 300 children come to your house and play outside? On second thought, scratch that idea because you don’t sound too child friendly.

What will we do? What will we do?

>DR. NO … HE MUST GO!
DR. NO … HE MUST GO!
DR. NO … HE MUST GO!

>LAN Associates is smiling all the way to the bank. This screw up just means more work for them. They drew up the plans. They said they monitored the digging of the pilings for the addition. They said they were on site 3 days a week. How did contaminated soil get to the back of the building? How did contaminated soil get so quickly to the surface (within 3 inches) around the new addition and near the playground?

Did they really know what was at stake if they failed to keep the ash below the ground where it’s been for decades?

More money for them, I guess.

>I think that LAN Associates didn’t think that Ridgewood would be taking more soil samples. Thank you to the parent who requested that the school district take another look at the soil.

I’m thinking that must have been Frances Edwards. If so, thank you Frances for caring about our children’s health and for your continued vigilance. You really put to shame all those school officials who say they care about our children.

>I like the way the Ridgewood News had Bob’s smiling face on the cover. Ironic because this is his fault.

LAN Associaties, they are the same guys putting in 600,000 smoke alarms in Ridgewood High School.

Why do they get all Ridgewood business?

They are the Haliburton of Ridgewood.

>SEEMS FUNNY YEARS AGO PSE@G HAD A REPAIR SHOP WHERE THE CONDOS ARE I RECALL THEM HAVING CONTAMINATED SOIL REMOVED. THE WHOLE AREA WAS DUG UP. THEY STOPPED AT THE FENCE BY THE TENNIS CT. PARKING LOT. I GUESS THE FENCE STOPPED THE CONTAMINATION. GIVES YOU SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!

>Did anyone see Ann Daily, Mary Sue Dwyer, Michele Hass or Jane Flood at the meeting last night(3 of whom were presidents of the HSA during this debacle)?

All spoke in favor, before the BOE, of the addition being built in the front of Orchard at the infamous meeting where Mr. Hutton proclaimed, “the train has left the station.”

>4:26 you’re mistaken about PSE&G. They completely cleaned up the area that was formerly used by them. In fact, they were the ones who discovered the ashfill in 1991/2 as their cleanup neared the tennis courts. They alerted the BOE and the Village because they did not produce the ash and so could not be responsible for it. The DEP then came and did a series of 46 borings throughout the orchard/village properties and discovered the full outline of the ash fill. It was huge. The Village also has ash under its property near the tennis courts and PSE&G could not undertake any remediation on village property. Though adjacent to the former pseg plant, the back of the orchard building showed no contamination as the ash fill did not extend that far back. That is why parents wanted the addition at the back, so that no one would be digging and disturbing the contaminated soil that was elsewhere on the property.

Bob wanted the building in the front and advocated that point, excluding all concerns about the ashfill. It was Bob Hutton who announced at that final boe meeting that “the train had left the station.”

Then Bob advocated the amphitheatre, again digging into contaminated soil. Now the contaminants are near the surface which is why there is a problem.

Our leaders not only let us down, they IGNORED us and then let us down.

>Where were all you concerned people when the various construction projects were proposed over the last decade? Did any of you speak out then and saw “we don’t need that addition or that amphetheatre, since it will disrupt the soil and we are not willing to deal with that.” Or, are all of you just pointing fingers after the fact? I don’t know the answer. So, I would like to read the honest answer from the parents involved, not a bunch of smart ass comments.

>The Ash Landfill was listed as a “superfund” site on August 11, 1997 by the EPA. At Thursday’s meeting a board member seemed to state that it wasn’t a superfund site. His comments were incorrect. See below:

Monday, August 11, 1997 Page 67 of 84

City Name Address EPA Site #

RIDGEWOOD VILLAGE RIDGEWOOD ASH LANDFILL ORCHARD PLACE NJD986639904

>Schools Development Authority Grant Details
Project # 4390-120-02-0883
School Facility Project
Addition and Rehab of Existing Facility
Total Project Cost
1,873,540.03
Final Eligible Cost
1,020,469.00
State Share
408,188.00
Local Share
1,465,352.03

Description:Additions & Renovations; (1) Art Classroom, (2) Small Group Instruction (SGI) Rooms, (1) Cafetorium including Serving Room and storage.

>4:28 PM, “What the heck does Dr. Muller have to do with soil contamination or the addition?”

He knew because he was told of the contamination. And it was HE, not anyone else, who insisited that the building go in the front. The BOE just backed him up all the way. Do you think they will take it on the neck for him?

“Dr. Muller has orchestated an environment for our kids to learn in.”

Yea, like the use of TERC math? Give us a break.

It might be wiser for you to NOT stand behind him. Unless, of course, you don’t mind taking one for him.

>While Bob the Builder was always the principal at Orchard during the three “authorized” digs into contaminated soil. Here is the makeup of the BOE and the HSA Prexies who served as cheerleaders under his direction:

2000 – Massive dig of Orchard Field
Sheila Brogan, Pres
Tonia Cohen, VP
John Carroll
Michael Porro
Charles Reilly
HSA PRES: Jenny Breining

2003/4 – Building Addition on ash landfill
Charles Reilly, Pres
Sheila Brogan, VP
Mark Bombace
Linda Gilman
Robert Hutton
HSA PRES: Ann Daly

2006/7 Amphitheatre dig
Mark Bombace, Pres
Bob Hutton, VP
Sheila Brogan
Linda Gilman
Joseph Vallerini
HSA PRES: Kelly Petersen

The constant here seems to be Muller and Brogan. Why is Sheila posturing and asking questions now? It’s a little too late, Sheila.

>”HE IS AN EDUCATOR…NOT AN ENGINEER!”

Then Please tell him so. He didn’t seem know this about himself when he asked for the addition to be moved to the front of the building over the contaminated ash.

>I’m not impressed with Mr. Muller’s credentials … he has an EdD, not a PhD. BIG difference! An EdD is not a great accomplishment … it’s like a fake doctorate.

>Why don’t you put your name to your post 7:27 PM?

>Regardless of how many backers Muller has, he should be ashamed of his part in having the addition built on the ashfill and the “dig” to build the amphitheater. Orchard has literally risen from the ashes and Muller is responsible for creating a toxic environment for our children.

>Why don’t you ?

>7:48, and reign he does, like a tyrant!

Pucker up.

>7:27 I can understand you going after posters if what they say differs from what you think. That being said, do you not see the hypocrisy for going after posters for being “anonymous” when you yourself are “anonymous”? Your post would have been more credible had you posted your name.

>I’m really curious about who likes the muller man. I have not met one parent who does. The teachers, especially, dislike him intensly.

I know. It must be the kindergarten mommies…they don’t know him yet.

>To dig or not to dig?

That was the question facing Muller. He decided to dig not once but twice. Our children are now paying the price for his ignorance.

>There is plenty of misinformation in here and I believe it is intentional to support your motives. How heavy is that ax to grind??? It seems to me it is taken over your world.

At the meeting the geologist, LAn and all the information that has made available confirms that there was NO DISTURBANCE OF THE ASH when the construction happened. In the geologist’s own words, these results would not even make the radar of the DEP in terms of being worrisome. You are creating fear to advance your agenda. I attended the meeting and listened with an open mind. Try that for a change.

Muller, HSA presidents and the BOE do care about the welfare of the children. Please do no make yourself hollier than though. It does not fly.

BTW- test your own backyard, the results will be similar. Are you moving???

>10:33 AM,

LAN has lied in the past. Why should anyone believe their hired expert (geologist).

If it not so bad, why fence off the field? Why call an emergency meeting? Why have another meeting this Monday at the campus center?

If this is no big deal, why did they call a press conference?

Why? Why is there contamination where the new art room is, when none existed before?

We await your wisdom and insight.

>10:33 AM: If you want to blame someone for “creating fear” then put the blame where it belongs … not the posters … rather the boe and administration for putting up fences, calling a press conference, setting up a BF meeting and a boe meeting at the RHS campus center.

If this is nothing more than what parents have in their own backyard then “Take that fence down, Mr. Muller.”

>The headline in Friday’s Record read, “Ridgewood sees no threat to health at Orchard School.” If that is true, then why is the fence still up?

>6:34 PM,

“this is probably not a dire situation.”

“Probably,” being the operative word.

So, what the heck, lets take down the fence.

One can only assume that you do not have children at Orchard or you wouldn’t be so cavalier with your defense of the BOE. Am I right?

>To report an environmental incident impacting NJ, call the Toll-Free 24-Hour Hotline
1-877-WARNDEP / 1-877-927-6337

>Gee 6:34 mebee you can help muller take down the ugly fence.

>6:34 — No one is mad at the Boe for acting quickly. We’re mad as hell at them for DIGGING into the ashfill (3 times!) in the first place when they had viable alternatives.

Now our kids are stuck playing for God knows how long on a small blacktop unable to venture onto the playground or field.

That is why we are mad. Because the BOE and its principal are stubborn, stupid, defensive and arrogant. And they won’t take responsibility for their failures.

At that meeting Bombace actually floated the idea that a contractor brought contaminated soil (gee, it was ash too) to the site and that that was how it got to the back of the building.

I mean, c’mon already!

>You can bet that parental concerns will escalate the longer the fence remains.

>8:57AM

She probably didn’t know, that’s the point.

The EPA needs to be consulted on this immediately.

>If you look at the meeting agenda tonight we get to hear from 2 more of the hired help from the boe.

Why can’t we hear from a disinterested (read: non compromised) third party?

Oh, that’s not how our boe does business. They only tell us what they want us to hear.

>That’s right 5:26. To further clarify, the fill that was brought in to regrade the field, which was done in compliance with DEP regulations and environmental standards, could have (and most likely did) also contain some levels of PAHs, since this type of soil or “historical fill” was not required to undergo this type of testing.

I was overall impressed with the information presented tonight and the manner in which it was presented. I think the whole process on this has been handled surprisingly well by the BOE, although if you ask me, it would have been understandable if they were more defensive. The surprising thing is, they actually did not come off that way. For once.

>Floating an idea does not mean that it has to be one’s own original thought – which probably does not occur with Mark on a regular basis anyway.