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>So, Travell & Orchard parents should feel honored that the district is adding traditional math books to the already ensconced remedial TERC program? I don’t want my child to have any TERC!!! I want to move my child out of Travell and into one of the non-TERC schools. How do I do that?
>Not one of those boe members or school administrators have children attending Orchard or Travell. The majority of them don’t even have children in the system. And yet they know what is best for my child.
>gee, so at Travell & Orchard their budgets get money spent on BOTH TERC 2 (very expensive I heard) and Addison Wesley and yet over at Willard, their budget only has to spend for Addison Wesley to meet the district curriculum …
what a waste of money …
botsford – she is wasting money, spreading inequality across the elementary schools, and she’s dumb down the middle school math programs
and shes in charge of ives who is probably off dumbing down the high school – shes been way too quiet on this subject
i mean really, wouldnt the math supervisor of 6-12 have some comments, opinions, proof, regarding cmp in the middle school
even if you move your kid to an elementary school that does use the dumb dumb math, your kid will get dumb dumb math in the middle school
… private school here we come
>It would be laughable if it weren’t so damn pathetic. Every spring we have to listen to board members bemoan the fact that they are cutting corners trying to come up with a bare bones budget for the voters. And yet they go out and purchase not only an expensive TERC math program but now the son of TERC, TERC 2. They’re out of control.
>I’m mad as hell and won’t take it anymore. I will throw beer cans at their heads before I have to pony up for private schools. Hello!! I pay too much in taxes for that.
Get rid of stupid, dumb TERC. And while you’re at it. GET RID OF BOTSFORD AND IVES.
Why the #^(& are they here? To turn my children into stupid idiots? WHY?
>Why does the boe insist on treating our children here at Travell and Orchard like second class citizens? What is it about the children at the other four elementary schools that allows them to be taught traditional math while our children are left with the “2nd most mathematically illiterate program” in existence?
>Have you math moms sought legal advice as to if your children attending Travell and Orchard are entitled to the same math programs given at the other four elementary schools? I refuse to believe that school officials can force feed TERC to your children while the other schools’ children are given no TERC. Check it out.
>Ridgewood school officials are masters at messing around with our kids and discriminating at ever turn. That’s why we are no longer at the top of the list of great schools.
>10:00 AM discrimination is such an ugly word
>Looks like we’re being thrown a few crumbs to appease us. I refuse to follow this line of crumbs. I do not want my son wasting his time on TERC and I don’t think he should be punished because he attends Orchard. 9:59 AM is right. It’s past time to contact an attorney.
>Here is an idea, why not use the same curriculum for all six elementary schools and the same for both middle schools. Why have traditional math in four schools and dumb dumb math in the other two?
>You all know how education goes. The Ph.d.s have it over the MAs. Ives (and MSU) are in control. They get alot of money to force feed school districts this crap. Don’t give up unless you plan on sending your kids to MSU to join the sorority.
>”And yet they know what is best for my child.”
Correction: They know what is best for AAALLLLL children.
Say it with emphasis like they do.
>Why can’t our school district attract intelligent administrators? Where do the other school districts that are ranked above us find their administrators? We’re on a slippery slope here folks.
>I prefer how it works in business (which the schools are supposed to be preparing our kids for.)
In business and techical, if you have an advanced degree, an advanced degree might give you an initial boost, but that’s all.
Ultimately, it’s your smarts that counts.
Our schools are behind the times. It won’t be hard to undo, though. Our schools may not value education but they sure do value an advanced degree.
>AAALLLLL AAALLLLL AAALLLLLL
Do they have something caught in their throats?
>”Do they have something caught in their throats?”
You bet. TERC is clogging their airways.
>SNOOZE ALERT! SNOOZE ALERT! SNOOZE ALERT!
Watching the video of Regina Botsford may cause extreme drowsiness. Do not operate heavy machinery while under her hypnotic comatose spell.
>WAke up Regina. Parents in this town are not as stupid as the people you went to school with, nor the people who “taught” you.
Stop trying to feed us TERC. WE KNOW HOW BAD IT IS. You do too, you just can’t admit it because you staked your WHOLE life on it.
>After listening to your presentation, I can expect “balance” in our middle schools. CMP was terrible, CMP2 is perhaps less terrible. So as you will do at Orchard and Travell, add a traditional program so parents have a choice for their children.
They can chose the “less terrible CMP2” program or they can chose a proven traditional one. Let’s see how many pick CMP2.
>Unless the middle school parents come out and complain like the TRavell and Orchard parents did then there most likely won’t be a “balancing act” going on at the middle school level.
>There was at least on middle school parent at the Math Chat. She expressed that she had a child who, after one year of CMP2, had noticable negative effects with respect to math competency. Her child barely had homework and was bored. Homework for sixth graders involving papers and scissors. NJASK score had dropped significantly. Also brought up the topic of various multiple assessments being used for math placement as having a large language/critical thinking componant. Placement is no longer soley dependent upon math skill. Leveling the playing field with respect to gender, etc…
I think the Middle School parents are not yet fully aware of the issue although the lack of textbooks and the directive from school adminstrators to look at the CMP2 website for help should be a clue. There’s only been one year of CMPS and if the parents weren’t paying attention, they may have missed it.
>they will complain when the 6th graders finish their 8th grade year and their scores tank …. but by then, thats 3 years too many of CMP
you cannot balance reform math with traditional math
math is the one subject where the CONTENT drives the pedagogy
and to learn REAL MATH you need to NOT follow NCTM math-lite …
>4:01 pm – The middle school parent at Math Chat reported that her childs NJASK score and overall math competency tanked after one year (sixth grade) of CMP2. Three years will definately be disasterous — not to mention that Ridgewood HS is now buying into reform math.
If there is to be no choice, then only traditional math should be offered.
>”math is the one subject where the CONTENT drives the pedagogy “
Smart comment, that is what each parent needs to start asking…what is the content, do you have a detailed outline of topics that will be taught, is there a textbook and do you follow it.
TERC2 is bad, but CMP2 in the middle school means no one escapes this this mess.
The math moms need a middle school parent to step up at the next BOE meeting.
>Found this at Illinoisloop.org (all sorts of great info) while researching Kumon, C2, Huntington,etc.
Pretty Good
by Charles Osgood
There was once a pretty good student,
Who sat in a pretty good class
And was taught by a pretty good teacher,
Who always let pretty good pass.
He wasn’t terrific at reading;
He wasn’t a whiz-bang at math;
But for him education was leading
Straight down a pretty good path.
He didn’t find school too exciting,
But he wanted to do pretty well,
And he did have some trouble with writing,
And nobody had taught him to spell.
When doing arithmetic problems,
Pretty good was regarded as fine;
Five and five needn’t always be 10,
A pretty good answer was nine.
The pretty good student was happy
With the standards that were in effect,
And nobody thought it was sappy
If his answers were not quite correct.
The pretty good class that he sat in
Was part of a pretty good school,
And the student was not an exception;
On the contrary, he was the rule.
The pretty good school that he went to
Was right there in a pretty good town.
And nobody there ever noticed
He could not tell a verb from a noun.
The pretty good student, in fact, was
A part of a pretty good mob.
And the first time he knew what he lacked was
When he looked for a pretty good job.
It was then, when he sought a position,
He discovered that life can be tough,
And he soon had a sneaky suspicion
Pretty good might not be good enough.
The pretty good town in our story
Was part of a pretty good state
Which had pretty good aspirations
And prayed for a pretty good fate.
There once was a pretty good nation,
Pretty proud of the greatness it had,
But which learned much too late,
If you want to be great,
Pretty good is, in fact, pretty bad.
>CMP2 in the middle schools will level any advantage students receiving instruction in traditional math had in elementary school. I don’t think we should wait for MS scores to drop to deal with this. MS parent must advocate for their children NOW.
>this is about class and race. make no mistake about it. orchard is “diverse” and travell is, well let’s just say middle class, to be kind.
what a bunch of bigots these snobby boe members and the hired help are.
orchard has always been the place where the district has experimented with our village’s children due to its small size.
as for travell, maybe they thought no one would say anything because of the way paul ran his school.
one thing is for sure, bill ward would never have allowed this at ridge.
however, rogers-sachs is getting ready to put it in place at hawes.
keep up the good work math moms. the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
>How many principals at our six elementary schools are women?
Hawes — Kathleen Rodger-Sachs
Somerville — Monica Browne
Travell — Margy Leininger
Ridge — Jean H. Schoenlank
Willard — Marianne Williams
Orchard — Robert Muller (being surrounded by all these women has brought out his feminine side)
Women love TERC and TERC loves women.
>Frankly, I think the whole town should get TERC. Put it in Ridge and Willard first or is the BOE scared of those parents…
>If this is the way basic math is taught in school no wonder our kids will tune out.
>How do you balance discovery and playing (TERC methods) with an Addison Wesley text that requires to the TEACHER to give direct instruction rather than facilitate ?
>We teachers here in Ridgewood have our hands tied. We have no say. Parents can accomplish what we cannot. Sad but true.
>How do you balance traditional and reform math?? Do what my childs teacher did – – – use the Everyday Math Book as a doorstop while teaching traditionally.
Works well and the kids math skills are excellent.
>”CMP2 in the middle schools will level any advantage students receiving instruction in traditional math had in elementary school. I don’t think we should wait for MS scores to drop to deal with this. MS parent must advocate for their children NOW.”
The scores get inflated because of all the tutoring. Of course we can’t go by the scores. It’s a gotcha. The only way to make it obvious is to let our kids fail, but who’s going to do that?
>Who put in all the women principals? Why were women chosen over men? Falls right in step with the BOE members who are responsible for ruining this school system. It fits right in with Women’s Department philosophy at MSU and , unfortunately, most colleges and universities in the US. Why do you think that most males are finding higher education irrelevant? Because it has become education designed by women for women. Take heart though, most successful and earthshaking people in the world do not need to go to college to be significant and astounding. Let the women go to college to get a job that pays $.70 on a dollar being important to someone else; where if they dropped dead, no one would notice. Let their fortieth birthday roll around to be celebrated by no one imparticular. Traditional American’s birthrate has be below replacement value for a long time. The women’s revolution they started in the 60s has destroyed the family; the educational system; and, the nation. We’re headed for extinction all because someone thought it was a good idea to not marry and sit in a cubicle, taking a man’s job who can no longer support a family. How do you spell phyrric victory?
>Not all women Principals are bad…
Nancy Ichinaga, came to negative conclusions about the effects of the Open Education Movement on low income students, based on her experience as principal of Bennett-Kew Elementary school, in Inglewood, California. Ichinaga began a 24 year career as principal of Bennett-Kew in the Fall of 1974, one month before scores from the California’s standardized test were released. At that time the school included only grades K-3 and it was called Bennett Elementary school. Bennett’s 1974 third grade students ranked at the third percentile in the state, almost the absolute bottom. The school was then in its fourth year of the “Open Structure Program” and the student body throughout her tenure as principal was nearly 100 percent minority and low income. Reacting with shock and dismay at the test scores, Ichinaga confronted the teachers who admitted that their program was not working. The entire student body was illiterate and the student centered mathematics program was in shambles.
With the collaboration of her teachers, Nancy Ichinaga introduced clearly defined and well structured reading and math programs which included practice in basic skills. After a few years, test scores increased to well beyond the 50th percentile, and by the end of the 20th century, her school had earned national acclaim and became a model for others to emulate. At an education conference held in May 1999, Principal Ichinaga described the situation in her school in 1974:
“My school had been patterned after Summerhill. And that’s how bad it was! The kids used to make jello and bake cookies, and I used to tell the teachers, “Do you know what you’ve accomplished? You just gave them rotten teeth!”
Summerhill was an extremely progressive school in England.
>Here’s some quotes from one of the men that got us into this mess, John Dewey…our educators love to talk about Dewey…but the times he was writing about “constructivism” were much different than today…He wanted to educated a working class not a higher class.
“I believe that the only way to make the child conscious of his social heritage is to enable him to perform those fundamental types of activity which make civilization what it is.
I believe, therefore, in the so-called expressive or constructive activities as the center of correlation.
“I believe that this gives the standard for the place of cooking, sewing, manual training, etc., in the school…
I believe that the study of science is educational in so far as it brings out the materials and processes which make social life what it is.”
Yep, John Dewey said that…science only for baking cakes…
>And one more from John Dewey…
“The mere absorption of facts and truths is so exclusively an individual affair that it tends very naturally to pass into selfishness. There is no obvious social motive for the acquirement of mere learning, there is no clear social gain in success thereat.” (The School and Society, 1899)
Note how casually he discards all that we call scholarship, academic content, liberal arts, humanities. Dewey says that facts, truths and learning must go because they have no obvious social motive, no clear gain. In Dewey time, students weren’t expected to become the skilled scientists, engineers, doctors, administrators and the workers we absolutely must have.
And yet or educators still follow his teachings…interesting isn’t it.
>Regina quoted Dewey at a BOE meeting. She is a believer.
Anyone know a good cult de-programmer the BOE can spend $9000 on to rescue Botsford and Ives from themselves and us from them?
>A quote from 1899? That’s the best that you can do? You’ve got 108 years width to come up with something more relevant. Although his point about selfishness has never been truer than today in America.
>I love this! Yes, indeed, that’s what the BOE needed to hire.
Rather than a facilitator, they could use a good deprogrammer.
>They would have to deprogram themselves first.