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It all comes down to “Keyboard Bravado”

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It all comes down to “Keyboard Bravado”
January 21,2014
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Ridgewood NJ, Since the Ridgewood blog had come up more than once in the last few civility meetings Mayor Aronsohn and Jan Philips  reached out to us for an invite so we updated our Last Will and Testaments and graciously accepted .The meetings of the Civility Round Table  are held on  Tuesday’s, once a month at 7:30 PM in the Ridgewood Village Hall Senior’s Lounge. Residents are encouraged to attend .

The meeting started promptly at 7:30 and was to my mind well attended given the time of the year . Jan Phelps hosted the meeting , with Mayor Aronsohn and Councilwomen Hauck . Everyone introduced themselves representing various groups and organizations in the Village , from the BOE , the Planing Board , the Ridgewood Library ,several local clergy , the HSA’s , RBSA and may other fine organizations that serve Ridgewood as well as a few residents . The purpose as stated by the Mayor is to create a more civil discourse in the Village .

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Civility is about more than just politeness, although politeness is a necessary first step. It is about disagreeing without disrespect, seeking common ground as a starting point for dialogue about differences, listening past one’s preconceptions, and teaching others to do the same. Civility is the hard work of staying present even with those with whom we have deep-rooted and fierce disagreements. It is political in the sense that it is a necessary prerequisite for civic action. But it is political, too, in the sense that it is about negotiating interpersonal power such that everyone’s voice is heard, and nobody’s is ignored. https://www.instituteforcivility.org/who-we-are/what-is-civility/

The group seemed to agree that Ridgewood is a town where people like to excel , and that drive and those expectations create a very passionate , as you can see from blog comments and opinionated populace . People care about their community and thats a good thing , but many felt that sometimes we all go a bit to far .

We looked at the causes of incivility , the when and why .Sheila Brogan long time BOE member , felt that todays parents had a lot of additional pressure and  worried that in todays world their kids would have a hard time doing as well as they have done . She went on to speak about the changing times and how one could expect to have several careers over a life time  ,all this she  though made being a parent a lot harder than it was in the past  and a lot more pressure .

We managed to go till 8:08 be for someone mentioned the elephant in the room, “I want to talk about the blog”…….

I learned a lot , mostly that I am glad  I can sit in my PJ’s drinking coffee writing a blog getting yelled at by anonymous commenters ,and don’t have a tuff job like the RBSA people who are pulled in many directions ,by so many demands all at once .

There were interestingly a surprising large amount of blog enthusiasts there some open and some secret admirers .

While I could see there were some sore spots , like turf fields , PSEG ,sports issues , Valley Hospital , the Village Hall renovation and alas Marty Brooks the daggers were lowered for the night .

While anonymity of blog posters took a hit as expected some pointed out that even on facebook were you know who everyone is  the comments can be even nastier . A resident put it down to a type of “keyboard bravado.”

PJ’s Rules

1) Stick to issues don’t make it personal
2) Don’t take anything personal
M. Forni’s 25 Rules:The 25 Rules of Considerate Conduct

1. Pay attention

2. Acknowledge others

3. Think the best

4. Listen

5. Be inclusive

6. Speak kindly

7. Don’t speak ill

8. Accept and give praise

9. Respect even a subtle “no”

10. Respect others’ opinions

11. Mind your body

12. Be agreeable

13. Keep it down (and rediscover silence)

14. Respect other people’s time

15. Respect other people’s space

16. Apologize earnestly and thoughtfully

17. Assert yourself

18. Avoid personal questions

19. Care for your guests

20. Be a considerate guest

21. Think twice before asking for favors

22. Refrain from idle complaints

23. Give constructive criticism

24. Respect the environment and be gentle to animals

25. Don’t shift responsibility and blame

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Village Civility Round Table Discussion

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Village Civility Round Table Discussion

Tuesday, January 20 at 7:30 PM in the Ridgewood Village Hall Senior’s Lounge.

The Lounge will open at 7:00 PM, it is my intention to begin facilitation of our community discussion at 7:30.

M. Forni’s 25 Rules: The 25 Rules of Considerate Conduct

1. Pay attention

2. Acknowledge others

3. Think the best

4. Listen

5. Be inclusive

6. Speak kindly

7. Don’t speak ill

8. Accept and give praise

9. Respect even a subtle “no”

10. Respect others’ opinions

11. Mind your body

12. Be agreeable

13. Keep it down (and rediscover silence)

14. Respect other people’s time

15. Respect other people’s space

16. Apologize earnestly and thoughtfully

17. Assert yourself

18. Avoid personal questions

19. Care for your guests

20. Be a considerate guest

21. Think twice before asking for favors

22. Refrain from idle complaints

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Ridgewood boards have different rules on public comment

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Ridgewood boards have different rules on public comment

DECEMBER 30, 2014    LAST UPDATED: TUESDAY, DECEMBER 30, 2014, 10:24 AM
BY JODI WEINBERGER
STAFF WRITER |
THE RIDGEWOOD NEWS

Earlier this month, zoning board Chairman Joel Torielli opened the land-use meeting with an explanation on public comment.

There’s a time when the public has the opportunity to ask questions only, he said, and then there is a time for comments only. When the hearing is closed, there are no more questions or comments.

Still, during public questioning on one of the applications, zoning board attorney Bruce Whitaker had to interrupt a resident several times to remind her she was not allowed at that time to freely offer her thoughts.

This confusion and frustration among residents about what they can say at what time to have their voice heard on village matters can turn what would normally be a civil back-and-forth into intense heated debates on whose opinions matter.

At Planning Board hearings, it’s not uncommon to have residents interrupted by attorneys citing procedure. At council and Board of Education (BOE) meetings, a timer is used to limit the length of time to address the dais.

https://www.northjersey.com/community-news/officials-detail-the-comment-process-in-ridgewood-1.1183228

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Ridgewood Mayor says Civility should become the ‘new normal’ , we say show me !

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Ridgewood Mayor says Civility should become the ‘new normal’ , we say show me !

Civility should become the ‘new normal’
December 24, 2014

By PAUL ARONSOHN

We need to raise the bar with respect to acceptable conduct and take our public discourse to a higher level.

INCIVILITY. It seems all too common these days. The aggressive driver who tailgates you on the turnpike. The angry parent who berates the coach. The hostile resident who hurls personal attacks at public meetings. The anonymous commenter who spews hatred on the Internet. The rude government official who speaks in dismissive tones. The governor who admonishes the heckler to “sit down and shut up.”

These people and these behaviors have become all too familiar. And, sadly, they have become all too accepted. Rudeness seems normal. Civility appears optional.

To be sure, this lack of civility is not standard practice. Most people don’t act this way. Most people open doors, are polite and treat others with respect.

But the seeming increase in incivility is very real and is very destructive. It is tearing at the fabric of communities. We not only see it on TV and read about it in newspapers. We live it in our own lives. In fact, at times, it may be we who are using the bad language, exhibiting the bad behavior, making the bad decisions.

In Ridgewood, we have acknowledged this and have decided to do something about it.

Recently, community leaders and members of the public came together to discuss the need for more civility in our public discourse. Government officials. Educators. Clergy. Organizational leaders. Parents. The group represented somewhat of a cross-section of our village.

It was a timely event — coming in the wake of one of the nastiest election seasons ever — and it was an appropriate event, being held in a town known for its profound sense of commu-nity.

At the meeting, people shared a variety of views. Some said there is too much incivility in Ridgewood, while others said everything is basically fine. Some focused on behavior at public meetings, while others focused on behavior at youth sports events. Some spoke of people’s anger and hostility, while others spoke of people’s fears. Most, however, seemed to agree that incivility is the exception to the rule in Ridgewood, but regardless, most seemed to agree that we need to address it – head on.

Hence, their participation in the meeting.

Going forward, our plan is to reconvene the group in mid-January. Our discussion will concentrate on ways in which we can and should take this conversation forward.

Beyond Ridgewood, we are seeing additional reasons to be optimistic. In Washington, since the November election, we have heard more talk about bipartisanship coming from President Obama and Republican leaders. In Bergen, incoming County Executive James Tedesco ran a campaign centered on “bringing Bergen together again” and promising a less combative style to governance. And local officials and residents — most recently in Hackensack — are actively exploring ways to bring civility back into public life.

Ultimately, I believe we need to create a “new normal” with respect to the way we treat each other. More civility. More respect. Disagreement is fine and often good, but we need to disagree without being disagreeable.

We need to raise the bar with respect to acceptable conduct and take our public discourse to a higher level. That means community leaders and parents modeling appropriate behavior. That means everyone — individually as well as collectively — stepping back, taking a deep breath and realizing that we are stronger and better when we work together.

Although incivility is nothing new, it seems that 2009 was a pivotal year that began a steady decline. That year, a congressman from South Carolina broke tradition and yelled out during a presidential address to a joint session of Congress — effectively calling the president of the United States a liar. It was also in that year that New Jersey elected a governor who felt it was fine to vilify public workers, talk down to reporters and shout down residents at town meetings.

Now, five years later, it is time for us to declare that enough is enough. Our period of incivility must come to an end. We are better than this. We deserve better than this.

Paul Aronsohn is mayor of Ridgewood.

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Respectful behavior should go both ways

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Respectful behavior should go both ways

DECEMBER 5, 2014    LAST UPDATED: FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2014, 12:31 AM
THE RIDGEWOOD NEWS

To the Editor:

On Nov. 24, the mayor held a meeting on civility. It appears that attendance was by invitation only, but because we are a small village, the word got out rather quickly. I wonder what the true purpose of this meeting was.

It seems the first thing that one would do if there was a perceived problem is to hold a public meeting so that all interested parties could attend and that all our council members would be included. Transparency is at the heart of all public discourse. If conduct at sporting events is an issue, then where were all the participants? As long as I have lived, there has always been an occasional out-of-control parent and/or coach, but I don’t see it as a new issue or one particular to Ridgewood.

To another point, I have attended and ran many meetings and hardly ever has civility been a problem. Where I have seen a breakdown of civility is at the council level, when at the dais personal attacks have been directed at other council members. We have guidelines to prevent this, Robert’s Rules of Order and the Open Public Meetings Act, but they were not always followed, and some meetings became very contentious.

Also, as a citizen coming to the microphone, it is an intimidating experience. It is very difficult to express a contrary opinion in such a setting. On rare occasions, a speaker may get personal, but the chairperson can properly silence that with a reminder of meeting protocol. But how do we stop it when it is coming the other way?

Last, while I have never observed a lack of civility at the Board of Education meetings, I believe its policy of not responding in any way to speakers at the microphone is incredibly rude. As one speaker recently said, it is like talking in a vacuum and the silence is deafening.

We elect our council and board members. We believe in a representative government. Public meetings need to be open and inclusive. As tax-paying residents of the village, we need to feel that are voices are being heard. Respectful behavior goes both ways.

Linda McNamara

Ridgewood

https://www.northjersey.com/opinion/opinion-letters-to-the-editor/letter-respectful-behavior-should-go-both-ways-1.1146805

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Reader says Criticism and the resulting public discourse, I believe, does much more good than harm

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Reader says Criticism and the resulting public discourse, I believe, does much more good than harm

I am a strong believer in free speech no matter how stupid, hateful, or unpopular that speech is, but I suppose if you twisted my arm I could compromise and allow bans on one form of speech. That would be blowhard elected officials singlehandedly defying the New Jersey State Sunshine Law by egotistically grabbing the public microphone (!) and executing one of the most exquisite, hypocritical, logic-twisting, irony-defining, triple-twister-with-a-backflip dives into the capacious pool of numbnutted man-child foolishness imaginable by breezily calling for censorship and limits on free speech – which I find hateful and “excessively objectionable.”

I’m just kidding of course, because by allowing people to express their wrongheaded opinions at imprudently-convened unofficially official privately public meetings, you are giving others a chance to respond to and criticize those ideas (see: these comments). The resulting public discourse, I believe, does much more good than harm. And although some mistakenly claim that restrictions on free speech are unlikely to be abused in Orwellian and Authoritarian ways in the USA (what with our infallible government and all), you’ll find plenty of such instances from the last century of American history alone.

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Reader says Yard Signs are Hate Speech ?

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Reader says Yard Signs are Hate Speech ?

James, I think people here are really more eager just to ban “hate lawn-signs”.

Ridgewood blog asks  what qualifies as “Hate Lawn Signs” lol

Any lawn sign that criticizes a regionally significant inherently beneficial use of otherwise tax-revenue-generating chunk of real estate is a “hate lawn sign”.

your views are repulsive, and I am ashamed of you for propagating them. There are no “sensible restrictions on free speech,” and whoever thinks that stifling speech eliminates hatred, anger, and violence, is plainly wrong. The answer to hate speech is more speech, not less.

By the way, anyone who wishes to cling to “fire in a crowded theater,” just remember that the ruling was used to imprison Yiddish-speaking pacifists for handing out fliers to protest World War I. Is that “sensible,” #16?

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Reader says People post and make comment on this blog when they want their cause championed but turn around and condemn this blog when they don’t need it anymore

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Reader says People post and make comment on this blog when they want their cause championed but turn around and condemn this blog when they don’t need it anymore

Mayor Paul Aronsohn,Councilwoman Gwenn Hauck hosted the meeting and , Deputy Mayor Albert Pucciarelli, made comments. Well it sound like an open public meeting which was not posted in a timely manner ( Friday for a Monday Meeting) The next questions. Were there meeting minutes taken and if so when will they be available to the public?

“Baney also called out The Ridgewood Blog, a news and opinion aggregation website, for contributing to incivility.” Baney Who is a member of the anti Valley Hospital group had no problem when commenter on this blog blasted Valley Hospital. Where was she the?. These people are all cut from the same cloth.

Baney also called out The Ridgewood Blog, a news and opinion aggregation website, for contributing to incivility.

James you know what ironic. People send thing for you to post and make comment on this blog when they want their cause championed but turn around and condemn this blog when they don’t need it anymore or they disagree with other posters. Which ever way the wind is blowing like the Three Amigos.

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Reader suggests that if the Mayor would start representing the interest of Ridgewood the blog would be irrelevant

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Reader suggests that if the Mayor would start representing the interest of Ridgewood the blog would be irrelevant 

the 3 clowns Huey, Dewey, and Louie should focus on representing tax payers ,residents and the interests of Ridgewood and then people would not be criticizing them on this blog 24/7 .

Ridgewood is not Hudson County , nor do we have the demographic , Ridgewood is Ridgewood , best to pack up the Hudson County mafia and your developer friends and move back ..

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Reader suggest “Civility ” meeting was violation of NJ Open Public Meetings Act

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Reader suggest “Civility ” meeting was violation of NJ Open Public Meetings

Wait just a Ridgewood minute – Mayor Paul Aronsohn, Deputy Mayor Albert Pucciarelli, and Councilwoman Gwenn Hauck all participated in this meeting. Isn’t that considered a quorum in terms of the Village Council? If so, why wasn’t this billed as an offical meeting of the Council, with minutes taken and legal notice given? A violation of the NJ Open Public Meetings Act or not? Matt Rogers where are you?

Ms Hauck has been counted before even when she was not present  . It is my understanding that there were two member of the council  hosting the meeting on civility last Monday. What is confusing is that the Deputy Mayor was in the audience and even took part in the conversation so I been told. If true does this now become a official public meeting  which should have been post in a timely manner ( not on Friday for a Mondaymeeting? ) Where there minuets taken and will they be available?  Can someone shed some light on this. Did the Deputy Mayor speak ?

But the Deputy Mayor only introduced himself  we are told , but its the spirit of the law that is still of concern?

Of course Mr. Pucciarelli was there, he is attached by a firm cable to Mr. Arohsohn Mr Arohsohn should keep his ATTACK DOG on a shorter leash. So was not the purpose of the Deputy Mayors presence to quell dissent , and intimidate people ?

The Deputy Mayor cannot for one moment pretend ignorance of the Sunshine Law. His adherence to the law was called into question early in his term – this gave him plenty of time to learn the law that he had been accused of breaking. The Village Attorney looked into the matter and decided that the DM had not violated the law at that time. Regardless, Mr. Pucciarelli knew full well that he should not speak last Monday night, but……………surprise surprise………….he spoke! Presto, the law was broken.

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Reader says “Civility” meeting, What a bunch of nonsense.

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Reader says  “Civility” meeting, What a bunch of nonsense.

The mayor is simply taking a page out of the resident’s playbook, calling for civility only after he and his minions have already distorted the public discourse, intimidated or demonized well-meaning political opponents, and generally done the damage he intends to do.

Even this event is nothing more than a belligerent shot across the bow to those who would come to public meetings in the future and dare to voice a contrary view at the public microphone, or otherwise level any well-deserved criticism the Mayor’s way.
To his mind, now that we’ve gone and taken the trouble of having a silly public meeting about the need for ‘civility in public discourse’, we have established a new norm, in accordance with which anyone who goes to the microphone to disagree with or criticize the Mayor or his friends is, by definition, engaging in a social ‘taboo’, and will therefore have voluntarily opened themselves up to immediate public abuse from the elected official DuJour, shamelessly served with a culturally toxic side-dish of relish, impunity, and maddening condescension.

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Ridgewood to hold public discussion on civility in society

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Chris Harris Puff Piece : Ridgewood to hold public discussion on civility in society

NOVEMBER 24, 2014    LAST UPDATED: MONDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2014, 1:21 AM
BY CHRIS HARRIS
STAFF WRITER |
THE RECORD

RIDGEWOOD — Mayor Paul Aronsohn will lead a public discussion tonight on the overall need for more civility in society.

“I’ve been in municipal government for more than six years and most of the time there’s a good exchange that happens — whether people agree or disagree,” Aronsohn said. “But there’s this certain level of hostility that sometimes takes the conversation in a bad place.”

Tonight’s event also will feature Councilwoman Gwenn Hauck, the Rev. Jan Philips of the Religious Society of Friends and Rabbi David Fine of Temple Israel.

Aronsohn said that during his years in municipal government, he’s seen coarseness be a distraction and watched as people berate experts testifying at public meetings. He has fielded complaints from parents, who sometimes deal with incivility on athletic fields, and he’s seen the issue pop up in online comments on articles reporting on village news.

“It’s good and fine to disagree, but we should be able to disagree without being disagreeable,” Aronsohn said. “I don’t want to sound Pollyanna-ish, but there has to be a better way to do this.”

https://www.northjersey.com/community-news/civility-in-society-is-topic-of-ridgewood-meeting-1.1140233

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Reader says If the Mayor and his Amigos invited everyone that they have be uncivil to they would have to rent out MetLife Stadium

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Reader says If the Mayor and his Amigos invited everyone that they have be uncivil to they would have to rent out MetLife Stadium

Did the mayor personally invite Tom Riche, Bernie Walsh, Ken Gabbert, and John Ward to this feel good session?

The meeting sounds like it could be a good one. I would like to see former Council members return to commenters microphone and share their views on today’s happenings.

“And how about Tony Merlino, Steve Sanzari, Marcia Ringel…..surely he invited them since he has always been so civil toward them.”

If the Mayor and his Amigos invited everyone that they have be uncivil to they would have to rent out MetLife Stadium

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Reader says the Council is uncivil and obnoxious as ever

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Reader says the Council is uncivil and obnoxious as ever

Great photo! That is at the Jul 1 reorg meeting.m Lorraine Reynolds is at the podium asking them in very strong terms to make Susan Knudsen the Deputy Mayor, per a long standing tradition that the highest vote getter have this position. Nope, no way. They did not even respond to Lorraine, and of course the Deputy Ego went on to maintain his title with a scratchy unintelligible vote skyped in from a safari with the duke. The people had spoken loudly, they wanted Sedon and Knudsen. And our elected morons ignored us swiftly.

The choice of photo is ironic, it is the Council being as uncivil and obnoxious as ever.

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Reader says Mr. Aronsohn – you made your bed, now lie in it

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Reader says Mr. Aronsohn – you made your bed, now lie in it.

So let me get this perfectly straight, after Mayor Aronsohn and his 2 sidekicks have PUBLICLY:

1) Belittled Tom Riche, accusing him of an inappropriate business relationship with the Village
2) Accused former Councilwoman Bernadette Walsh of trying to get a parking ticket fixed
3) Conducted a scathing performance review of former Village Manager Kenneth Gabbert which led to his firing
4) Interrogated Police Chief John Ward insinuating that he violated a number of Village policies by hiring 2 new police officers. Then, after the Chief was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Bergen County Prosecutor’s Office, refusing to offer an apology of any sort
5) Lashed out at numerous taxpayers during the public comment section of Council meetings (Marsha Ringle, Ellie Gruber, Anne Loving, Boyd Loving, Ron Verdicchio, William Corcoran, Frank Delvecchio, and more)

Now all of a sudden they’re asking for “Civility in our Public Discourse?”

Message to you Mr. Aronsohn – you made your bed, now lie in it.

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